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Mr. PUTNAM. I think perhaps the publishers ought to answer that. It is a specification on which they alleged to the conferences might be inconvenient and difficult in some cases. In the case of directories, the directory publishers said that they were in the habit of having their work done at a great many establishments. Of our general legal advisers, as you have asked me, I feel that I ought to state this: The chairman of the advisory committee of the American Bar a.s.sociation is not here to state it himself, as he stated it to us: but he was of the opinion that it was not relevant to the affidavit. But I do not see that at this point, sir, this question can be discussed, because the persons who are opposed to this provision are not fully represented here.

Of those on the list of partic.i.p.ants that cared to be heard at this point I know of no others, except that Mr. Sullivan, who represents the International Typographical Union, not caring to make any argument or statement, but possibly caring to do so later, if he may, would like to say just a word in behalf of the general principles of the bill, or on behalf of the bill as a whole--the feeling of the Typographical Union as to the bill.

STATEMENT OF J. J. SULLIVAN, ESQ., REPRESENTING THE INTERNATIONAL TYPOGRAPHICAL UNION.

Mr. SULLIVAN. Senators and Representatives, I do not desire to take up any of your time just at this hour, as there are many gentlemen here from out of town who wish to be heard before the committee. I therefore desire to be heard at some future time, as I understand you will have a session of this committee to-morrow; and on behalf of the organization, the International Typographical Union, which I have the honor to represent, I particularly protest against any modification of section 13, known as the manufacturing clause of the copyright law.

Mr. CHANEY. Is that in this bill or the present law?

Mr. CURRIER. This bill.

Mr. SULLIVAN. I refer to section 13, known as the manufacturing clause of the old act and copied in the new one. Speaking also on behalf of my a.s.sociates from New York, representing 7,500 typographers, we protest against any modification of this law.

Mr. PUTNAM. You must make it clear whether you refer to this bill or to the existing law. Are you satisfied with the bill?

Mr. SULLIVAN. I refer to the revised bill.

Mr. PUTNAM. You are satisfied with the bill as it stands?

Mr. SULLIVAN. The Senate bill.

Mr. CURRIER. You are referring simply to section 13?

Mr. SULLIVAN. Section 13; yes. That is, the old section.

The CHAIRMAN. Do you approve in all respects the bill as introduced in the Senate and House?

Mr. SULLIVAN. No, Senator; I respectfully beg to differ in this respect--that either through inadvertence or slight mistake in the draft of the bill that has been submitted to the Representatives taking part in these conferences there are six lines bracketed.

Mr. PUTNAM. They are not bracketed in the official bill. They were left out of the bill as introduced.

Mr. SULLIVAN. I respectfully request that section 13 of the bill as presented to the Representatives taking part in the conferences here be revised in the Senate bill so as to include the paragraph that is bracketed in the draft of the bill sent out to the delegates.

Mr. PUTNAM. Well, Mr. Sullivan, I want you to be clear about this. The bill as introduced into Congress did not contain those brackets. That was a draft sent out some time ago, and the bill as introduced in Congress has not those brackets.

Mr. SULLIVAN. (after examining the official copy of the bill). That is on page 9; that is all right.

Mr. CURRIER. It is right as it is, as we understand?

Mr. SULLIVAN. It is right as it is. That is all right, then; we have no objection, Senator, to the bill as it stands. I only wish to say at this time that that bill has already pa.s.sed the lower branch of Congress.

Mr. CURRIER. You refer to section 13?

Mr. SULLIVAN. Yes, sir; and Representative Currier knows it has also pa.s.sed his committee. We respectfully submit the resolution to your hands, and I desire to be heard on it to-morrow.

Mr. PUTNAM. Mr. Chairman, with your permission Mr. G. Howlett Davis, of New York, desires to be heard as representing inventors who have allied themselves particularly to these devices for the reproduction of music to the ear. Mr. Davis's suggestion was that as the composers had been heard as the creators of the music in the first instance, one who is engaged as an inventor in the production of these devices should first be heard on the other side.

Mr. S. T. CAMERON. May it please the committee, Mr. Chairman, I am one of those who are representing the interests of the talking machines of the country.

The CHAIRMAN. Whom do you represent?